More October Ride Info

From Jack:

I failed to provide a time in the e-mail about the Club’s October ride.  So, it’s 10:00 am.  There will be coffee and donuts before ride.

Directions – From the intersection of US-60 (West Deuce of Clubs) and AZ-260 (S Clark Road)

Go west on AZ-260 for ≈ 31.9 miles

Turn left (south) on FS-51

FS-51 is just about 200’ past Church Lane on the right where the First Southern Baptist Church is located. 

Go 1 mile on FS-51.

The ride staging area is there on the left.

No one indicated they planned to camp, but there are several places to camp along FS-51.  The staging area could accommodate 2-3 campers.  At this point the forecast daytime high should approach 70° with sunny skies and winds about 15 mph.  The early morning low will be near 40°.  If you planned to camp, we suggest you call either Paul 928.240.0427 or me 908.672.4553 to discuss your camping location options.

The ride will be about 40 miles total to Black Canon Lake and back.  We will have lunch at the lake.

Also, we’ve received notice of Ed Collins retirement party.  Some of you have worked with Ed over the years and may wish to attend.  Here’s the notice,  Check the attached file for more information on Ed’s retirement party.

Please plan on joining the retirement party honoring Ed Collins for the many years of service to the Lakeside Ranger District and Apache-Sitgreaves National Forests. 

RSVP should be directed to the Lakeside Ranger District (928)368-2100.

Thank you – Dustie

Flyer sent under bcc: to fs-pdl r3 apachesitgreaves all

Dustie Aylor
Administrative Officer
Forest Service Apache-Sitgreaves National Forests p: 928-333-6337
c: 928-245-3295
f: 928-333-5966
30 South Chiricahua Drive
Springerville, AZ 85938
Caring for the land and serving people

Club October Ride Info

The Club’s October ride is Saturday, October 19th.  The ride will stage from FS 51 near HeberOverguard.  It’s about a 40 mile ride to Black Canyon Lake for lunch and back.  We’ll get exact directions out before the ride and put up the Club signs.   We’re looking at two camp areas, both on FS 51.

Of course, in October the question is always to camp or not to camp and the decision is usually weather dependent.  For what it’s worth the long range forecast is calling for day-time highs in the high 60s and early morning lows in the high 30s with clear skies. 

There is a pre-ride on Tuesday, October 15th leaving from the FS 51 staging area at 10:00 am.  Again, more explicit directions will be forth coming.

And don’t forget the Club’s meeting is this Thursday, October 10th and the Show Low Cafe, 5:00 pm for dinner and socializing and 6:00 pm for the meeting.

Important Travel Management Doc

Dear Members:

We found out late last week that the understanding we had about preserving the dispersed campsites located more than 300 ft from a road was not correct. The forest service plans to close the “user created access roads” to them for motorized travel. Simply stated this would prevent any campers from towing a trailer or driving a motor home to these camp sites, even tent campers who wanted to access them with a car or truck will be prohibited from driving into these sites.  We have suggested these “user created roads” be added to the motorized travel plan, but we need your help. The Forest Service has stated clearly that the more comments it receives, the more weight the input will have.  We urge you to comment yourself in you own words or simply use the comment provided here, but please comment.  Couples should comment independently.  It’s a numbers game and more is better. 

It is my understanding that the Forest Service plans to close the “user created access roads” to camp sites in the forest that are more than 300’ from a road.  This would effectively close these camp sites to anyone using a motor home or trailer for camping.  There has been no survey, but my observation suggests that 9 out of 10 or more of the campers in the forest are using a motor home or trailer.  It would also make it difficult for even tent campers to access these sites, since they would have to pack all their gear, food and water into the site.  Can you imagine a young family packing the necessities for a week camping into one of these sites?  Again, there has been no survey of sites 300’ or more from a road but most sites are more than 300’ from the road.  Who wants to camp next to the road with the traffic and dust?  These campsites have been used for years and even generations and the user created roads to these sites should remain open for all users.  Not including these “user created access roads” will effectively close many of the camping areas in the Forest.  While the environmentalist back east may be delighted with this, I find it incredulous the Forest Service apparently believes, that effectively closing all these sites is an acceptable outcome to the vast majority of the users of the Forest.

Here is the link:

This issue effects anyone that camps in the Forest, not just OHV riders.  I urge you to forward this e-mail to persons you many know that do camp in the forest, or are otherwise interested in this issue, and ask them to add a comment also.  Again, more is better.

There may be other issues you or we may find by reading Alternative #2 and looking at the Interactive Comment Map. For example, we have heard the plan reflects a long stretch of the 300 road to be closed(why), it provides for some 50 inch or less trails(why) and the Maverick Trail and the Saffel Canyon Trail, both dedicated trails, are hard to see on the maps(why not highlight them, they cost thousands of dollars of OHV sticker fund money and hundreds of hours to install and maintain). Check these and others issues out on this link: Also, if any of you are having trouble using the Comment form to submit your ride tracks, you may send them attached to an email to:   as an alternative, however you need to send in a comment that you have done so

WMOTA September Ride

The ride will start at 9:00 am on September 21st, Saturday. It will stage from the Sheep Coral just off 117 on 117c.

  1. From the intersection of 73 and 260, basically Hon Dah Casino,
  2. Go east on 260 for about 24 miles to FS 117.  The 117 is 2.8 miles past 273, which is the turn off to Sunrise Ski Resort.
  3. Turn left on FS 117
  4. Go about 0.9 miles on FS 117 and turn left on 117C

The Sheep Coral is basically right there as you turn left

If you’re camping, continue on 117c for about 0.4 miles.  The camping area is kind’a up the hill and around the turn on the left.  As always, look for the WMOTA signs.

The ride is planned for about 40 miles.  As always, bring your lunch and plenty of hydration fluids.  Rain gear is also probably desirable.  We expect to be back to the staging area at about 3ish o’clock.       

Jack R. Dyer                                     

October WMOTA Apache Joint Ride

Apache County ATV & WMOTA Club Members

October Joint Club Ride

It is hard to believe Fall will soon be here. The days are warm to very warm, there is no hint of the leaves changing color. The temperatures will soon begin to drop, especially in the higher elevations, and the Aspens will put on a golden show for all to see.

The October club ride is a joint ride with Apache County ATV and White Mountain Open Trails Association (WMOTA). The trail ride is a fall colors ride, the ride is scheduled for Saturday, October 12th and will depart the staging area at 9 am. The ride leaders will be Ron Rickel and Monica Barajas and the tail gunners will be Brett and Paula Bartels.

The ride will stage from the Sheep Corrals located at the junction of forest roads 117 and 117C. The Sheep Corrals are a little less than 1 mile north of Highway 260 and southeast of Greens Peak. The below graphic shows the location of the staging area. The ride is only 33 miles long, and will be a slower pace than normal, with frequent stops to allow riders to take pictures – since the purpose of the ride is to enjoy the fall colors. The ride leader used parts of club rides Juan Garcia 1, Juan Garcia 2, Green Peak, and Fred’s trail with the intent of staying in Aspens as much as possible. The ride is easy and very colorful, bring your camera and be prepared to take some great pictures of the beautiful scenery. Be sure to bring snacks, lunch, drinks, and be ready for a wonderful ride.

This ride is a great opportunity to introduce a friend or neighbor to the fun times the clubs have. Invite non-members to join the ride and experience the great times the clubs have and introduce them to the club members participating in the ride.

Charles Wood……………..

Fool Hallow Lake club Meeting

WMOTA’s September 12, Membership Meeting and BBQ
Members, your BOD has decided to host a BBQ Rib dinner instead of a Rodeo or Summer Social this year.  This is a FOR MEMBERS ONLY dinner with our regular meeting to follow.
Where:  Fool Hollow Lake, Meadowlark Ramada, 1500 Fools Hollow Rd., Show Low, Arizona            Follow our WMOTA signs to Meadowlark Ramada
When:  Thursday, September 12, 2019
Time:   Dinner at 5:00 pm with our meeting to follow
Thanks to Barbara Brady there is no entrance fee to the park for this event and no charge to WMOTA for the use of a Ramada. 
You must have a reservation to attend this dinner.  If you didn’t sign up at our last meeting, you must reply to this email by September 2, 2019, in order to attend the dinner.  We need an accurate count of attendees for the caterer. 
If you wish an adult beverage please bring your own, we will furnish water, Ice Tea and Lemonade to drink.

Forest Lakes August 2019 Ride

We just completed the Club’s August Camp & Ride.  The camp and staging area was along FS 99 in the Forest Lakes area.

Steve and Lila Dudley lead the Saturday ride and our thanks to them for a great ride.  We had 26 machines on the ride.

The Cub also provided a pancake breakfast before the ride.  Although we didn’t count those at breakfast it was about 50.  Thanks to all those who worked to make this breakfast a success.  I’d try to name names, but I sure I’d forget someone and then be in trouble.  😊

Also, thanks to everyone who help with the breakfast take down and clean up.  We everyone helping we were able to get the table and chairs back in the Clubs trailer quickly and the ride started on time.

The Cub’s next meeting will be September 12th and the ride will be the 21st.  Expect details to follow before then.

The Cub is always looking for things to do with its members.  This month’s breakfast was an example.  Our September meeting at Fools Hollow Lake with dinner is another example.  Expect more details on the September meeting plans as the date approaches.  For example, who would be interested in:

·         A night ride on or near October 13th, the full moon.

·         A wenny roast, or some other social function (wine and cheese, beer and peanuts) on a Saturday following a Club ride

·         A lunch ride to Trappers in November.  We’ll most likely do this. The point is your officers don’t have any corner on ideas and we’d love to hear what you think would be fun.  So, don’t be shy, let us hear your ideas.

July Club Ride


Head south on Highway 260,  pass Junction 73 at the Hon-Dah Casino. continue on highway 260  approximately 20.4 miles and Turn Right at the 273 toward BIG LAKE. Go approximately 14.7 miles and Turn LEFT at the 116 road. Go down a dirt road for about 1.2 miles to the camping area. There will be WMOTA signs posted to help guide the way.

We plan on leaving the camping area at about 9:00 am on Saturday July 27th. The ride is About 50 miles . Plan on bringing rain gear just in case  Also lunch and drinks

There will be a Poker Run on the ride and if you would like to participate, a Happy Hour after the ride at the camping area.

Look forward to seeing you there! Barb and Dawn

“The Saturday ride will leave the camping area on the 409 road at 9:00 am and travel North along Lightening Ridge, crossing over Pool Knoll and proceeding to an overlook of Greer. We will then proceed South across open fields to Burro Mountain, where rocky trails will provide some 4-wheel, low gear travel. Morse Spring water is cool, crystal clear and delicious. Off the mountain and across toward Big Lake, hopefully herds of elk will be seen along the way before returning to the camp staging area, a total of 45.8 miles and some of the best trail riding the White Mountains has to offer. A lot of work went into developing this ride, pre-riding it and clearing the trails of fallen trees, so hopefully you will find it enjoyable. Bring lunch, water, and rain suits.”

“We will no doubt have a campfire, liquid refreshments, and pot luck hor d’ oeuvres Friday evening for those who camp and Saturday for all who stay after the ride.”

June Club Ride

The ride will be led by Pat and Jo Ann.  It’s about 45 miles and will leave the staging area at 09:00 am Saturday, June 29th.  Please arrive in time to unload and be ready for the ride briefing at about 08:45. The staging/camping area is at Buckelew Springs.  Bring your ride lunch and plenty of water.  It’s likely to be hot and dusty, although you can obviously check the weather conditions nearer the ride time.

From the intersection of US 60 and Penrod –

  • Go east on US 60 to the Vernon Road ≈ 20.7 miles
  • Turn right (southerly) on the Vernon Road
  • Go 2.3 miles to 3261, about 0.1 miles past the cemetery on the right
  • Turn left (easterly) on 3261
  • Go 1.5 miles on 3261 to the second cattle guard
  • At the second cattle guard you will enter the Forest and 3261 becomes FS 61
  • Go 0.9 miles to a fork in the road.  Bear right at the fork, and continue  on the better-looking road
  • Go another 0.9 miles.  You should see a sign on the left saying Buckelew Springs.  The right turn off into the staging/camp area is less than 50 yards past the sign.

Jack R. Dyer

MayClub Ride

The official Club ride is Saturday, May 18th at 9:00 am.  Please come early enough to unload and be ready to ride at 9:00 am.

The Club will be riding from the staging/camp location near the intersection of FS 146 and FS 124.  From the intersection of 260 and 60 at the west end of Show Low:

·         Go west on 260 about 26⅓ miles to FS 146 – FS 146 is just west of mile marker 314/look for the WMOTA sign

·         Turn south/left coming from Show on FS 146

·         At about 3.2 miles you will come to FS 124 – again look for the WMOTA sign

·         Turn right/west on FS 124

·         The turn into the ride staging/camp area is about 50 yards on the left – again WMOTA sign

The approximate location of the staging/camp area in degrees.decimal is 34.3270 and 110.4809 or in degrees°, minutes’ and seconds” 34 19 37.2 and 110 28 51.2.  And in UTM 12N easting 247753.5 – northing 3798536.  Ok clearly, I’ve too much time on my hands.  😊

Rides are also planned for Thursday, May 16th, and Friday, May 17th.  You do not have to camp to participate in the Thursday and Friday rides.

The Thursday ride will leave the staging area at 3:00 pm and arrive at the Wild Woman restaurant at about 5:00 pm where the group will have dinner.  Thursday night is ribs night at the Wild Woman.  The ride back to the staging/camp area after dinner is easy and short.

The Friday ride will leave at 10:00 am and return to the staging/camp area about 1:00 pm.  Since the ride gets back about 1:00 pm, Paul is not planning on a lunch stop.  You can bring a lunch to eat at the camp/staging area if desired.

As always, bring plenty of water for the rides and whatever snacks are desired.  The long-range forecast is calling for temperatures in the 60s and some chance of rain.  Rain gear and layered clothing is recommended. Of course, it never hurts to check the forecasts closer to the ride days. Also, if you plan to camp and didn’t sign up at the meeting Thursday night, please let us know you’re coming.  Thanks